Baby Snakes (The Movie)

The Läther Era Outtakes

Läther Era Outtakes Baby Snakes (1979) [Eagle Rock 2003]
1. NYC Backstage Dialog  
0:00-0:17 1:27:59-1:28:17
0:17-0:39  
0:39-0:48 1:28:17-1:28:25
0:48-0:54  
0:54-0:55 1:28:25-1:28:26
0:55-2:07 0:30:13-0:31:26
2:07-2:11  
3. NYC Backstage Dialog II  
0:00-0:04  
0:04-0:08 1:25:54-1:25:59

 

1. 0:00:00 Baby Snakes Rehearsal

 

2. 0:02:12 "This Is The Show They Never See"

Sources & Edits

Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003) Baby Snakes (1983) (CD, Zappa Records, 1988)
2. "This Is The Show They Never See" 1. Intro Rap/Baby Snakes
0:07:46-0:08:04 0:00-0:17

 

3. 0:08:04 Baby Snakes

Sources & Edits

Sheik Yerbouti (1979) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003) Baby Snakes (1983) (CD, Zappa Records, 1988)
12. Baby Snakes 3. Baby Snakes 1. Intro Rap/Baby Snakes
  0:08:04-0:08:23 0:17-0:36
0:04-1:50 0:08:23-0:10:09 0:36-2:22

 

4. 0:10:04 Bruce Bickford/"Disco Outfreakage"

Well, spit it out, boy!

 

5. 0:16:25 The Poodle Lecture

Sources & Edits

October 30, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003) YCDTOSA Vol. 6 (Zappa Records, 1992)
2. Stink-Foot 5. The Poodle Lecture 1. 2. The Poodle Lecture
7:21-7:32   0:00-0:11
7:32-7:45    
3. The Poodle Lecture    
0:00-1:48 0:16:25-0:18:13 0:11-1:59
1:48-2:00 0:18:13-0:18:25  
2:00-2:26 0:18:25-0:18:51 1:59-2:24
2:26-2:28 0:18:51-0:18:53  
2:28-2:32    
2:32-2:34   2:24-2:26
2:34-5:08 0:18:53-0:21:27 2:26-5:00

 

6. 0:21:28 "She Said"/City Of Tiny Lites

Sources & Edits

October 30, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) October 31, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003) YCDTOSA Vol. 3 (Zappa Records, 1989) YCDTOSA Vol. 6 (Zappa Records, 1992)
3. The Poodle Lecture   6. "She Said"/City Of Tiny Lites   1. 2. The Poodle Lecture
5:08-5:10   0:21:27-0:21:30   5:00-5:02
8. City Of Tiny Lites 5. City Of Tiny Lites      
0:00-2:12   0:22:06-0:24:18    
  2:25-2:36 0:24:18-0:24:30    
  2:36-3:23      
  3:23-3:58 0:24:30-0:25:05    
2:45-3:09   0:25:05-0:25:28    
3:09-3:20        
3:20-3:31   0:25:28-0:25:39    
3:31-4:16        
4:16-7:36   0:25:39-0:28:59    
      2. 1. Dickie's Such An Asshole  
    0:29:48-0:30:52 09:05-10:08  
flambay, April 8-13, 2014

Most of the song as heard in the Movie Soundtrack is from October 30, 1977. Only the first 46 secs of the FZ solo are from 1977 10 31.

http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?p=297675#297675

The FZ solo in the BSTM version is in fact pieced together from 5 edit sections: 2 sections from Oct.31 and 3 from Oct.30.

pbuzby, Zappateers, April 13, 2014

During the solo the film stays in 10 31 a few seconds after the audible splice to 10 30 in the soundtrack, with a shot of Tommy Mars lighting a cigarette.

In that first section of the guitar solo from Tiny Lights the film only has three shots: Bozzio wearing nothing but black shorts, FZ playing (these first two definitely match the music) and then a short shot from the back of the stage of Patrick, Adrian and Tommy playing the vamp, which could be from a different night that the music, as Patrick seems to be playing a bass fill in the soundtrack that we don't see him play.

As I recall there is also a change from 10 31 to another night in the film somewhere in the middle of the Black Page/Jones Crusher/Broken Hearts/Punky's sequence, so my guess is FZ did have the band wear the same clothes for all shows.

In fact the Tiny Lights solo in the film has five segments. Here is a rough breakdown of where the parts appear in the audience tapes:

10-31-77 [2:25-2:36]
10-31-77 [3:25-3:59]
10-30-77 [2:45-3:08]
10-30-77 [3:20-3:30]
10-30-77 [4:15-4:50]

I'd like to say a few words about Warner Bros. Uh, when I first signed with the label I thought that I was going to have a pretty good deal but later when I discovered the relationship between Warners _____ the implication of their behavior and I . . . I jus— excuse me I think I'm gonna have to WHOO-AARGH!

 

7. 0:31:57 New York's Finest Crazy Persons

Warner Brothers sucks.

 

8. 0:33:52 "The Way The Air Smells . . . "

 

9. 0:37:53 Pound—Bass & Kybds Solo

Sources & Edits

October 30, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) October 31, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003)
9. Pound For A Brown 6. Pound For A Brown 9. Pound—Bass & Kybds Solo
  04:48-06:05 0:37:55-0:39:13
04:41-09:56   0:39:13-0:44:28

 

10. 0:44:28 "In You" Rap/Dedication

Sources & Edits

October 30, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003) YCDTOSA Vol. 6 (Zappa Records, 1992)
9. Pound For A Brown 10. "In You" Rap/Dedication 8. Is That Guy Kidding Or What?
09:56-10:03 0:44:28-0:44:35  
10. I Have Been In You    
0:00-0:05 0:44:35-0:44:41  
0:05-2:58 0:44:41-0:47:34 0:00-2:52
2:58-3:52 0:47:34-0:48:28  
3:52-5:02 0:48:28-0:49:38 2:52-4:02
5:02-5:05 0:49:38-0:49:40  
5:05-8:35    
  0:49:57-0:51:19  

'Course Warner Brothers sucks, but besides Warner Brothers there are other things about this business that really suck.

 

11. 0:51:20 Managua/Police Car/Drum Solo

Sources & Edits

October 30, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003)
13. King Kong 11. Managua/Police Car/Drum Solo
  0:51:19-0:53:10
3:43-8:45 0:53:10-0:58:12
14. Terry's Solo #5  
0:00-1:33 0:58:12-0:59:46
1:33-3:46  
3:46-5:05 0:59:46-1:01:05

 

12. 1:01:05 Disco Boy

Sources & Edits

October 30, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003) Baby Snakes (1983) (CD, Zappa Records, 1988)
14. Terry's Solo #5 12. Disco Boy" Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003) 5. Disco Boy
5:05-5:07 1:01:05-1:01:08  
15. Disco Boy    
0:00-0:05 1:01:08-1:01:13  
0:05-3:56 1:01:13-1:05:05 0:00-3:51
3:56-3:58 1:05:05-1:05:06  

 

13. 1:05:07 "Give People Somewhere To Xscape Thru"

Sources & Edits

October 30, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003)
15. Disco Boy 13. "Give People Somewhere To X-Scape Thru"
3:58-4:01 1:05:06-1:05:09
13. King Kong  
0:13-0:21 1:11:26-1:11:33

 

14. 1:11:34 King Kong/Roy's Halloween Gas Mask

Sources & Edits

October 30, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) October 31, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003)
13. King Kong 7. The Demise Of The Imported Rubber Goods Mask 14. King Kong/Roy's Halloween Gas Mask
0:21-3:43   1:11:33-1:14:55
  2:45-7:26 1:14:53-1:19:34
  7:26-7:32  
  7:32-8:32 1:19:34-1:20:35
  8:32-8:33  

 

15. 1:20:36 Bobby Brown Goes Down

Sources & Edits

October 31, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003)
7. The Demise Of The Imported Rubber Goods Mask 15. Bobby Brown Goes Down
8:32-8:33 1:20:35-1:20:36
8. Bobby Brown Goes Down  
0:00-3:42 1:20:36-1:24:19

 

16. 1:24:19 Conehead/"All You Need To Know"

Sources & Edits

October 31, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003)
8. Bobby Brown Goes Down 16. Conehead/"All You Need To Know"
3:43-3:50 1:24:19-1:24:26
9. Conehead (Instrumental)  
0:00-0:53 1:24:26-1:25:20

 

17. 1:29:51 I'm So Cute/"Entertainment All The Way"

 

18. 1:35:07 Titties 'N' Beer/"Audience Participation"/The Black Page #2 & "The Dance Contest"

Sources & Edits

October 31, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003) Baby Snakes (1983) (CD, Zappa Records, 1988)
17. Titties 'N' Beer 18. Titties 'N' Beer/"Audience Participation"/The Black Page #2 & "The Dance Contest" 2. Titties 'N' Beer
0:00-0:07 1:35:07-1:35:14  
0:07-4:30 1:35:14-1:39:37 0:00-4:22
4:30-5:33    
5:33-7:24 1:39:37-1:41:27 4:22-6:13
18. Halloween Audience Participation    
0:00-5:24 1:41:27-1:46:51  
5:24-5:53    
5:53-7:04 1:46:51-1:48:03  
19. The Black Page #2   3. The Black Page #2
0:00-0:05 1:48:03-1:48:08  
0:05-2:51 1:48:08-1:50:52 0:00-2:50

Remember, I WAS SIGNED WITH WARNER BROTHERS FOR EIGHT FUCKIN' YEARS!!!

Here we have the president of Warner Bros. Records, the head of the Warner Bros. legal department, and two famous attorneys from Gang, Tyre & Brown. Okay. Give him his contract!

 

19. 1:50:55 Jones Crusher

Sources & Edits

October 29, 1977, early showHalloween 77 (2017) October 31, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003) Baby Snakes (1983) (CD, Zappa Records, 1988)
19. Jones Crusher 19. The Black Page #2 19. Jones Crusher 4. Jones Crusher
  2:51-2:55 1:50:54-1:50:59  
  20. Jones Crusher    
  0:00-0:04 1:50:59-1:51:03  
0:00-0:04     0:00-0:04
0:04-2:53   1:51:03-1:53:52 0:04-2:53
Tan Mitsugu, January 30, 2008

As the BS version of The Black Page #2 is from 10/31, there's an edit from 10/31 to 10/29 in Jones Crusher.

[...] I think the edit on the movie is at the first bass note (13 seconds into the chapter), since the 10/31 dance contest participants are still visible during FZ's guitar intro.

On the CD, however, the edit seems to be at the beginning of the track.

Adrian Belew, "How To End Up Wearing A Dress On Stage In A Concert Film With Frank Zappa," Elephant Blog, September 28, 2007

this one is more serendipitous.
to begin with your first road manager
has to kill himself
(see Anecdote # 37 blog from August 15.)
then, he has to be replaced by a road manager
of a different stripe: the "Road Mangler"
which is the title Phil Kaufman goes by.

Phil is an extraordinary person with a colorful past.
friends with Charlie Manson, before the massacre.
friends with the legendary Gram Parsons.
at Gram's insistence Phil agreed
to burn Gram's body out in the desert
if he were to die.
they made a pact.

a few years later
Gram Parsons died,
Phil stole his body,
drove it into the desert,
and promptly burned it.

you meet Phil after his prison tenure
and find him to be one hilarious fellow.
dressed in his best Harley garb,
he has (at that time) a knack for staying
completely smashed on booze
and yet doing his job very thoroughly.

one morning at breakfast with Phil
the waitress asks for his order.
he replies, "I'll have a Turkey Club."
the waitress says,
"I'm sorry sir, we're only serving breakfast,
no sandwiches until lunch."

"it's a type of whiskey, dear", he informs her.

next, you have to be fortunate enough
to take part in one of frank's annual rituals:
the Halloween concert in New York City
at the ancient Palladium Theatre.

since it is halloween
Phil will look after the costuming
for willing band members.
and since you are already in a costume of sorts
(a paratroopers jumpsuit bought
at an Army/Navy store on Melrose Ave.)
you're happy to oblige.

as it happens the entire concert is being filmed
to be released as a live concert film called baby snakes.
so when Phil shows up late in the afternoon
with your costume you try to put on a brave face.
the costume he's chosen is a WAC uniform
(a female military outfit from the 40's)
which matches your paratrooper jumpsuit
and just so happens to fit you perfectly.

at some point during the evening's concert
you find yourself offstage
changing into the WAC uniform.
the film crew surrounds you as you don
the now-infamous $500,000 Jimi Hendrix strat
and step back onto the busy stage
in front of 2,000 people
and a host of lights and cameras.

it's at this precise moment you realize:
you're wearing a dress.

Adrian Belew, "Anecdote #555, Part Two," Elephant Blog, May 17, 2007

FZ & Adrian Belew, 1977

ps: the Stratocaster I'm playing in the photo above was owned by Jimi Hendrix.
he burnt it up at the miami pop festival in 1967.
somehow frank inherited the guitar which was in 3 pieces,
had it put back together, and set up for slide playing.
I played it in the song jones crusher.
recently dweezil zappa auctioned off the guitar at Sotheby's in London.
it sold for 350 thousand pounds or a whopping $500,000!
I should have carved my name and number on the back.

 

20. 1:53:53 Broken Hearts Are For Assholes

Sources & Edits

October 29, 1977, early showHalloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003)
20. Broken Hearts Are For Assholes 20. Broken Hearts Are For Assholes
0:00-3:46 1:53:52-1:57:42
flambay, April 13, 2014

The correct date is October 29, 1977 (Early Show).

 

21. 1:57:40 Punky's Whips

Sources & Edits

October 29, 1977, early showHalloween 77 (2017) October 31, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003) Baby Snakes (1983) (CD, Zappa Records, 1988)
20. Broken Hearts Are For Assholes 22. Punky's Whips 21. Punky's Whips 7. Punky's Whips
3:46-3:50   1:57:40-1:57:43  
21. Punky's Whips      
0:00-1:30   1:57:43-1:59:13 00:00-01:30
1:30-4:29   1:59:13-2:02:12  
  01:41-04:38   01:30-04:27
4:29-5:04   2:02:12-2:02:48 04:27-05:03
5:04-6:35   2:02:48-2:04:18  
  05:13-06:44   05:03-06:34
  06:44-11:23 2:04:18-2:08:57 06:34-11:14
  23. Halloween Encore Audience    
  0:00-0:15   11:14-11:29
  ? 2:08:57-2:09:45  
  0:58-1:21 2:09:21-2:09:45  

 

22. 2:09:46 "Thank You"/Dinah-Moe Humm

Sources & Edits

October 31, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003) Baby Snakes (1983) (CD, Zappa Records, 1988)
23. Halloween Encore Audience 22. "Thank You"/Dinah-Moe Humm 6. Dinah-Moe Humm
1:21-2:07 2:09:45-2:10:31  
24. Dinah-Moe Humm    
0:00-0:03 2:10:31-2:10:34  
0:03-6:39 2:10:34-2:17:11 0:00-6:37

 

23. 2:17:12 Camarillo Brillo/Muffin Man

Sources & Edits

October 30, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) October 31, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003)
  24. Dinah-Moe Humm 23. Camarillo Brillo/Muffin Man
  6:39-6:41 2:17:11-2:17:12
  25. Camarillo Brillo  
  0:00-3:24 2:17:12-2:20:37
29. Muffin Man 26. Muffin Man  
  0:00-0:00 2:20:37-2:20:38
  0:00-1:24 2:20:38-2:22:02
1:42-5:17   2:22:02-2:25:37
flambay, May 25, 2014

Start of the ["Muffin Man"] song until Adrian Belew solo is from October 31. Entire FZ solo and band line-up outro is from October 30.

These text portions are from October 30:

FZ: Patrick O'Hearn, Adrian Belew, Tommy Mars, Terry Bozzio, Peter Wolf and Ed Mann. And we're gonna actually play one more song.

 

24. 2:25:38 San Ber'dino

Sources & Edits

October 30, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) October 31, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003)
29. Muffin Man 27. San Ber'dino 24. San Ber'dino
5:17-5:18   2:25:37-2:25:38
30. San Ber'dino    
0:00-0:02   2:25:38-2:25:41
  0:02-5:00 2:25:41-2:30:39
flambay, May 25, 2014

These text portions are from October 30:

FZ: The name of this song is "San Bernardino"

The entire San Ber'dino song itself ("She lives in Mojave . . . ") is from October 31.

 

25. 2:30:40 Black Napkins

Sources & Edits

October 30, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) October 31, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003)
30. San Ber'dino 27. San Ber'dino 25. Black Napkins
  5:00-5:01 2:30:39-2:30:40
  28. Black Napkins  
  0:00-1:10 2:30:40-2:31:51
  1:10-2:41  
  2:41-6:24 2:31:51-2:35:34
  6:24-6:47  
  6:47-8:12 2:35:34-2:36:59
5:20-6:16   2:36:59-2:37:55
  9:01-9:19 2:37:55-2:38:13
    2:38:13-2:38:42

 

26. 2:38:43 New York's Finest #2 & Credits

 

27. 2:42:43 "Good Night"

2:44:10 — end —

 

Eyes Only

Sources & Edits

October 30, 1977Halloween 77 (2017) Baby Snakes (The Movie) (1979) (DVD, 2003)
2. Stink-Foot Eyes Only
0:29-1:54 0:00-1:25

 

 

Research, compilation and maintenance by Román García Albertos
http://www.donlope.net/fz/
This page updated: 2021-01-12